Sunday, November 19, 2006

Why DRAGONFORCE sucks.


Yeah, you read it right, there is no question mark, therefore it's not a question, it's an explanation.
Dragonforce seems to be one of the new guitar sensations, at least if I refer to the number of praises I can see in Dragonforce videos comments on Youtube....

So why does it suck so hard ? Here are the reasons :

1) The name. "Dragonforce", come on, what kind of shitty name is that ? It sounds like some anime or video game skill, not like a band's name. As a matter of fact, using "dragon" in a band's name will make you sound like a nerd, addicted to Role-Playing Games and spending more time pinching his pimples than working on his string-skipping exercices. So all of you retards out there with band's names like "Dragonslayer", "Dragonkiller", "Dragon's breath", "Dragonite" and everything that includes the word "dragon", you know now how much of losers you are.

2) The music. At least, Herman Li and Sam Totman admit it : one of their main influences is video games music. Too bad they spent hours on their instruments to sound no better than a Nintendo NES while hundreds of talented people here and here actually play real video games music with the artistic soul Dragonforce is desperately pursuing...
As for the drums, I know sequencers with more feeling than Dragonforce's drummer. If I want to listen to a sledgehammer, I'd rather listen to some Fear Factory record.

3) The sound. Dragonforce tries to mix the energy of speed metal with video games sounds. Let's face it, it sucks. The guitar sound is just terrible, it conveys absolutely no power whatsoever. Since the drummer sounds like he's trying to dig a tunnel, the guitars end up sounding even feebler. As if it were not enough, Herman Li and Sam Totman decided to remove every aspect in their playing that could give consistency to any solo they do : no bends, not a note longer than half a second, no slides, no double stops, even their artificial harmonics sound like glitches, and of course NO MELODY (which sounds obvious, since speed and melody are not really compatible, as we'll see next week). Any Yngwie Malmsteen or George Lynch alone owns both players of Dragonforce. Period.

If you're a big fan of Dragonforce, you probably suck at guitar playing, so grow up. Playing the guitar is not "being able to move one's fingers as fast as possible on the fretboard". Any monkey with a guitar and a metronome can eventually achieve that. Playing the guitar is something different. That you don't know yet.

80 Comments:

Blogger live_for_it_die_for_it_hxc said...

You are the smartest man in the whole world.
For the past few months my friends have been losing there minds over dragonforce and WOW both of which i think suck, and u basicly just proved my point so i thank you.

10:55 PM  
Blogger haakon said...

<3!

9:54 PM  
Blogger Viper4365 said...

yeah you probably still have nsync cds and cassets in your radio too......dragon force is one of the best bands out there and they are more coordinated than most bands will ever be..........so what if they have dragon in their name i think they can choose whatever the fuck they want as their name..........shit even if they were still called dragonheart i would still chose them over avenged sevenfold, MCR, Greenday or any other band you may like.........and having unique music is a good thing nowadays i mean why should dragonforce run around and sing about all the total bullshit the others do

6:08 PM  
Blogger Partizanas said...

eee, yyyouuu man... I play guitar about a four years.... and I like Dragonforce. Band's name is cool. Why you all article mentioned computer games? If you don't like power metal than you shouldn't listen Dragonforce ant don't write so dumb articles.

I think that your article sucks, not Dragonforce.

6:56 PM  
Blogger Jay said...

Now, I would have agreed with what you had to say, if you hadn't done it in a way that made you sound like a total fucking Jock. Seriosuly, ragging on role-players and shit, what are you twelve? Fucking ignoramous.

5:59 PM  
Blogger Ithariel said...

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12:45 AM  
Blogger Ithariel said...

I couldn't agree with you more, DragonForce is pathetic. But you missed a good point, their lyrics are just a bunch of crap put together to sound epic, besides look at their name Dragon and Force, lame. Here i'll make some lyrics like theirs "The demon will rise when the kings will fall and blah blah blah"......yep just like their lyrics. Pah, what a bunch of junk, get over DF and listen to some real music....As for coordinated, hah if you call playing fast so nobody can notice your faults coordinated, well I shouldn't say......Go listen to some Amon Amarth, Kalmah, Therion, Wintersun, Tyr, Finntroll, Demons & Wizards, or my personal favorite Blind Guardian, now thats some good music(though theres alot more good music out there than DF).....Seriously get over DF its just junk.

12:51 AM  
Blogger Rafael said...

Anyone who disagrees with this blog suck a big dick.


P.S. Don't delete posts dude, that's just fascist.

6:00 AM  
Blogger 0gmios said...

Look, the band's name aside, the real reason that they "suck" is very simple. They hide both their guitar tone and playing ability behind whammy pedals. If you ever watch any of their videos, you can see that half of what they are doing is alternating pitch with the pedal constantly. All this does is create a flashy effect to cover up a lack of substance, for that is the problem. Sure they can solo, but what they do solo has nothing of worth. They say this creates their own tone, as well as playing style, but really, do they expect us to belive this?

1:01 PM  
Blogger Goggle_is_something_all_right said...

YEAH FUCK ALL U DRAGONFORCE HATERS THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST BANDS OUT THERE SO GO LISTEN TO UR LOLLYPOP CANDAY ASS SHIT AND UR CRAP RAP CAUSE DRAGONFORCE OWNS U AND ALL UR BANDS SO FUCK U DICK LICKIN HATERS

DRAGONFORCE RULES AND IF ANYBODY DISAGRESS I WILL PUT A FUCKIN CORKSCREW RIGHT THROUGH YOUR FUCKIN HEAD!!!!!!!

2:27 AM  
Blogger Goggle_is_something_all_right said...

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2:27 AM  
Blogger Nox said...

I just wanted to say that I NEVER delete messages.
Deleted messages were deleted by their respective authors, not by me.

5:58 PM  
Blogger asansome07 said...

ARE U FUCKIN THICK OR SUMIN DRAGONFORCE IS ONE OF THE BEST BANDS OUT THERE AND THERES NUFFIN RONG WID THE NAME SO WOTS RONG WITH U, AND Y U WRITING SHITTY ARTICLES EVEN THO THEYRE A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS, GET A LIFE M8

FUCK ALL U DRAGONFORCE HATERS OUT THERE U FUCKIN DICK HEADS

10:29 AM  
Blogger bs3052 said...

well u can suck a dick. dragon force does have a shitty name, but theyll wip ur ass anywhere. find better guitar solos, YOU CANT!!! they dont hide shit with wammy bars and stuff. and remember, there drunk half the time. DRAGON FORCE KICKS ASS!!!

12:12 AM  
Blogger Stefan said...

Right on dude i agree 100 percent. Heres something i heard a while ago that goes with this. "You can be very skilled with a hammer but if you cant build anything worthwhile then it doesnt mean shit" Ya i think dragonforce sounds like a bunch of shit. Between the buried and Me, or The Human Abstract are way better examples of new bands that actually have a "shred" of talent.

12:42 AM  
Blogger MetaSamus said...

Dragonforce: incredibly shitty name, ridiculous music.

7:45 AM  
Blogger julian said...

All you DragonForce haters are RETARDED! You guys are just jelous cause you cant play guitar for shit!! I know there concerts kinda do suck but I would be nervous too if I was standing in front of 10,000 people who hate you at Ozzfest!!!! Why the fuck does everybody have to be a freakin critic!!! If you guys hate the band so much why do you guys talk about them all the time and just ignore them!!!!!!!

3:34 AM  
Blogger Deryck said...

dragonforce is the most horrible band out there. they speed up their track. and if u say they dont, look at them live. they dont sound ANYTHING like their studio recordings. stevie ray vaughan, led zeppelin, jimi hendrix, rage against the machine; they all sound the same live. and just cuz someone doesnt listen to dragonforce doesnt mean they listen to rap. we just listen to stuff way way better than dragonsuck.

1:08 AM  
Blogger BeaverBanger said...

JESUS TITY FUCKING CHRIST! What kinda asshole says their nervous infront of 10000 people. Fuck you and all the other dragonforce fans. Ths band is a disgrace. Why are they famous is Japan? Because they listen to that pokemon shit thats why. They don't even play live, they can't even play the actual song it's a recording sped up 200 times. Go catch a fucking pokemon viper.

7:18 PM  
Blogger Kyle said...

Have you ever thought that maybe the people that like dragonforce play a lot of video games. I do and most of my friends do. Maybe its just a band for nerds and if thats the case I'm fine with that. When you can play at least one of their songs then you can talk, Suck it.

10:43 PM  
Blogger Kyle said...

Look, whenever you can play their songs I will agree with you. Suck it.

10:45 PM  
Blogger KJ said...

I was surprised to hear Dragonforce at the end of Guitar Hero III. WHen my daughter, reached the end, and Through the fire and flames came on, the kid just screamed. She was singing, and smiling. I was amazing, because it reminded me of a cheesy Iron Madien. But later, I realized it was the positive lyrics that made it seem cheesy. The more I listened, the more I realized how GREAT they were.

So I understand that you don't like them. They are not DEATH METAL.

Some people like plain old good guitar, with a positive message.

6:26 AM  
Blogger Nox said...

I DO play a lot of videogames. Playing video games is actually the main reason for me not being a better guitar player.
And I still say that DragonForce sucks. What you try to prove is that playing video games makes Dragon Force a valid band. In other words : lowering your musical standards allow a band to fit in, therefore they are a great band.
I have to agree with you then : it's the kind of logic no one can fight against. DragonForce are indeed a GREAT band for people with low musical expectations.

Someone also argued that DragonForce MUST BE great since people like Kirk Hammett admire them. Well, I'll listen to what Kirk Hammett says when he has learned to play in tune (see my first article).

11:56 AM  
Blogger JackKnife666 said...

YOU SUCK DICK I HATE YOU DRAGONFORCE OWNS ALOL!!!11...11ONE!!!111 lolololololol THROUGH THE FIRE AND FLAMES FTW!!!!!!

9:32 PM  
Blogger joe said...

you preach the truth and nothing but, thanks man

all my friends blow huge sticky wads all over each other talking about dragonforce, sometimes I wonder whether or not I should even hang around with them

8:08 AM  
Blogger Roberto said...

DF is making music the way they want to and there is a ton of people out there that like it and a ton of people that don't like it. Same goes with EVERY other band out there. its a matter of personal preference, so as long as there are people enjoying dragonforce, there will be dragonforce. Personally i think they make a cool sound and they are in my music library, but i wouldnt say that they are extremelly talented or that they are one of the best bands ever. they're just dragonforce.

8:41 PM  
Blogger Ryan said...

Dude, thank you Roberto... that was exactly what I was gonna say. You guys are just haters and probably the same people that bash "emo" (which has NOTHING to do with cutting your wrists and really just means emotional... stop being ignorant) and think that people suck and are gay if they don't conform or like exactly like you or the mass public likes... Most of your article is bias and actually hurt me in a way. YES... I am a gamer, I love RPing (whether it be Dungeon Siege on the comp or good old pencil/paper DnD). The original Pokemon was ok and yes I love Anime... but stereotyping people and bashing people is not right! THE SAME GOES FOR YOU FUCKING SO-CALLED DragonForce FANATICS!!! If I read "GO suck a dick" or something retarded like that again when I check on this article... I think I might go on a Killing Spree (not really... MasterSamus is my homeboy)... Anyways... I like DragonForce... you don't... live with it!!!

P.S. All Your Base Are Belong to Me... As Well As Your Cookiez

2:56 AM  
Blogger Ryan said...

oh yeah... I forgot to say... I am a Super Mario Master... so if you bash the NES or SNES... I might have to pull out my DeathNote... you have been warned!!! (Super Mario World for life)

2:58 AM  
Blogger Nox said...

Well, for the NES I can't tell, but even if music tastes are different among people, I'm pretty sure that NO ONE would ever dare to say something bad about the SNES.

4:53 PM  
Blogger skookumvale said...

wow, really well said, nice job. Dragonforce is a terrible band, they get owned any day by real metal bands like megadeth of metallica.

4:49 AM  
Blogger RichRUSH said...

This really is the worst peice of rubbish i have ever read.
This is all opinionated, and probably written by some terrible guitar player who couldn't nail one of their solos like they do all the time, got stressy, and decided to make a hate page.
What utter junk.
Pathetic

9:56 PM  
Blogger here i am said...

The guy who wrote ghis is stupid you say they are shit for speeding up their tracks well that's just how how they play their music people have also said that they put in lyrics to make it sound epic so basicly you admit that their final song products sound good you just dislike the way they acheove it. Why done u fun off music just because u don't like the way they create it and listen to wot u want instead of going out looking for bands to insult. Also many of u have sed all ur mates like it and u think they have strange taste in music when it is actually u, the odd one out of ur mates. Why don't u just FUCK OFF. PS the name of a band doesnt determine their skills ass head, done use pointless reasons just coz u can't think of any others.
I hope u have realized how much of a dick u r for writing this arrival anyway.

12:33 AM  
Blogger here i am said...

Sox about typing errors in last hard to write at half eleven on tiny iPod screen :) fun off meant to be fuck off that was just one of my mistakes :)

12:36 AM  
Blogger PRM337 said...

They suck not because of their name but because they are a lie. A complete and total lie. I saw them in concert in 07 and they can't even come close to making any of the songs sound like they do on the albums.

They aren't orginal; Helloween in the 80's had that same crazy fast-guitar fantasy sound but they actually could play their songs in concert.

Can't play their own music or solo's live and they use nerves or fake like their drunk as an excuse, pathetic.

P.S. I love RPG's and I loved the game Dragonforce Sega Saturn and I ain't half bad on a guitar,bass,drums or piano, so you can kiss my gamer ass.

7:23 AM  
Blogger Nox said...

Whoah, to think that I've written this article in 2006 and people STILL comment on it...
@Here I am : I've never said they were recording faster than they play because I've never know about that, and I don't care. Even if they could play FASTER than what they recorded I wouldn't give a fuck because their soli just suck. I've never tried to play a DF solo because I just can't imagine myself losing time to learn a solo that suck. On the other hand I spent some time learning and playing some of the soli I gave you samples of in my "why DF sucks like never before" article, so I wouldn't say I'm that bad at guitar playing.
Well, actually I play better than Kirk Hammett, just because I play in tune. Ain't it great ?:-D

9:56 AM  
Blogger kyle cook said...

omg u are a mastermind and i love u...thats exactly what i was thinking but u took the time to type it out...people like dave mustaine and my fav synyster gates...they have some like soul behind there guitar unlike fagit ass herman li who just fucking does fast little gay shit witch like u said has no bends no nothing...i would like to talk to in real life becasue u are so true and i love u

1:37 AM  
Blogger Nick said...

I love how all these ppl are like dragonforce rules!!!! Yeah maybe they would be half way decenmt if they could play their own songs all they way through! Through the Fire and the Flames was recorded in sections and spliced together and put on the album!

Heres how shitty they play live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMIQ1jfJm0

2:29 AM  
Blogger V3NG3ANCE6661 said...

ok, to what Viper4365 said...

EAT SHIT AND FUCKING DIE!
dragonforce cant play their own songs live (as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMIQ1jfJm), they have to FAKE being drunk for an excuse to play shitty!

2:30 AM  
Blogger Shawn said...

I am sitting here april 15, 2008 listening to DF and I must say they kind of hurt my ears. Dude, I loved the guy that spit the DF lyrics, I got one, "feel the wind beneath your steel as the lightning blinds the dead...." Why do they try to sound all holy? Positive message as somebody said above....???What message???I didn't get the memo apparently. It's a string of gobbledy-gook that is hard to even get a shred of meaning out of. I first heard of them on GH3 as well and dl'ed a few of their tunes. All the SAME, ALL TOO FAST, no content, and if they can't play it live, they are crap. I've been to 5 different Metallica tours, awesome every time, drunk too.

12:51 AM  
Blogger Yaldabaoth said...

Dragonforce is the rock equivalent of rap,ALL THEIR FUCKING SONGS SOUND THE SAME!!!

8:55 AM  
Blogger Yaldabaoth said...

And by all I mean the few songs I've heard,so all you little smart asses that were going to say,"Oh,if you don't like Dragonforce then why would you listen to all their songs" or some variation of bullshit can fuck off.

8:59 AM  
Blogger IDB said...

DragonForce is for little kids who don't know what real music is. Go listen to the one guitarist that no one dead or alive can top, Shawn Lane. Then come back and talk about DragonFag. I can't believe this kind of "play as fast as you can" bullshit is being passed as music. The band is obviously built around the guitar and its players by adding some cracked out drummer and the cheesiest lyrics ever.

Shawn Lane owns everyone...why? Because it is a known fact that Shawn can play anyone else's music but to this day NO ONE can play Shawn's music, or at least well enough to be taken seriously.

6:10 PM  
Blogger IDB said...

For the author of this blog, if you think Yngwie and Lynch are good, you are obviously stuck in the 80's just like them. I saw Lynch play at a Yngwie show (I was bored and tickets were free) and he brought on his fag son to play some Rap music which was obviously a pathetic attempt to "connect" with today's confused kids. Shawn could DESTROY Yngwie and he knew after the Johannsen brothers met Shawn and took him to meet Yngwie. After the meeting, Yngwie threw a hissy fit and didn't talk to the band for 2 weeks. HAHA. Shawn owns anyone that has ever played and anyone that ever WILL play.

Know this...God was talking through Shawn.

6:33 PM  
Blogger Nox said...

@IDB : I'm glad you've found your God to worship. Your comment doesn't make more sense than those left by Dragon Force's disciples.

I've met Shawn Lane twice and he never talked about DESTROYING anyone, and, to be honest, he didn't play very well (the times I saw him, not in general). He used to compose good stuff, but near the end of his life he used to play the first 3 chords of the songs and then he let his fingers run for 5 minutes. There were no melodies, no feeling, nothing but a note race. I was quite sad for him, actually.

10:42 AM  
Blogger strid3r8 said...

I know dragonforce sucked but I still like to listen to them occesionaly but would rather listen to "My Chemical Romance".(u should write about them.)

8:59 PM  
Blogger Ursell Anning said...

First of all, I'm no metal fan. I've never particularly _hated_ metal or anything like that, and I do have respect for the musicianship that goes with it. I suppose I've just always been fixated on music that is aesthetically very different from metal, so I've never really gotten around to exploring it.

Now that that's out of the way, allow me to exclaim the following: I LOVE DRAGONFORCE. I've known about them for two years or so, but I never really spent any time listening to them. But I recently heard Ultra Beatdown by chance, and I immediately fell in love with it.

I suppose the reason I like them is that they're SO over the top. They seem totally aware that their music is ridiculous, and they embrace that.

Most metal I've heard has a very doom-and-gloom kind of over-aggressiveness about it, and that's what makes it so polarizing and drives many people (including myself) away from it. I like that DragonForce retains the energy of metal but loses the incessant "brutal" vibes. It's totally harmless and prog-y and fist-in-the-air victory rock, and I buy into its self-aware cheesiness.

I suppose DragonForce is metal for people who aren't that into metal in the first place. Either that, or it's for people who don't take metal SO seriously that they can't handle it being parodied without turning their noses up.

As far as whether or not these guys can _really_ play guitar or whatever, I'm personally not a guitar nerd, so I can't comment. However, I find DF's overwrought chops amusing. And I do realize that it's studio magic, but I don't care. As long as it sounds good on record, I'm sold. (That's what studios are for afterall.) If it doesn't sound as good live, then that's okay with me because I realize that these dudes aren't infinitely precise robots.

Most of the "metal" people I know who don't like DragonForce are dudes with black cuffs and nose studs. I can't really relate to those people anyway, so their opinion doesn't mean too much to me.

Also, this is a guitar nerd blog. And I consider guitar nerds to be every bit as nerdy as fantasy/RPG nerds. Don't hate on nerds when you're a nerd yourself!

4:34 AM  
Blogger Robert Patrick said...

@Ursell : You Fail.
Seriously, I was nearly sold because you took the time to write in proper English, without the FOCKING FURY that some others have unleashed and I was, like, "oh, finally someone who disagrees with me and can still maintain a normal conversation tone".

Until your last paragraph. Have you read this blog ? I talk about nearly everything but guitar. A "guitar nerd" talks about chops, scales, modes and (the need for)speed, of course (because speed is the only measure device of a guitar nerd).
Have you seen me teaching you a scale, bragging about my flawless sweeping anywhere on this site ?

I'm everything but a guitar nerd, really, and I would even be as bold as to say that the very purpose of this site is to turn guitar nerds into musicians, ie : people who can think of music beyond their own instrument.

And that's why I called this blog "The best guitar site in the world" : because the best way to become a better guitarist is to stop being a guitar nerd.

Now, here is a trick to know if someone is a guitar nerd : a guitar nerd thinks John Petrucci is a Guitar God. Which is bullshit, as I'll write about in my next post, probably in November.

12:18 PM  
Blogger christopher said...

i've never heard so much intelligence about music in one article such as this. atleast this guy has common sense!

and i want to point that every dragonforce fan never seems to show any good points on why they;re good or why they like them. dragonforce fans claim that they "own" and dont show any reasons (dont state it, debate!). also, dragon force is the worst live band EVER! notice how they always say they're always saying "too drunk to play" and that why they sound bad... well, the band Korpiklaani goes through liters of beer while playing. also... if you cant play drunk... heres a good tip... DONT YOU IDIOT

10:45 PM  
Blogger alejandro1313sixx said...

EVERYONE READ THIS!!!!!!
FUCKING FAG!!!!!!! DragonForce ownz. Along with Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera and Slayer. 1st Reason Name-DragonForce is not that bad of a neme dickhead! compared to my chemical romance(What kind of gay ass name is that? or greeday?, Linkin park? or tokio hotel?) (2) So they are unique, exactly moron thats what makes them so badass. THIS IS A BIG ONE, Dragonforce hater-"They caint play their own songs live" Big fucking deal. I would still go see them. BESIDES TRy playing any song while you're drunk,OVIESLY you are gonna fuck up here and there. ANOTHER BIG ONE. Dragonforce hater-" All their songs sound alike and the lyrics suck." Ahh NO THEY DONT!!! I dont go around saying My chemical romance(WHICH IS A GAY ASS BAND) songs sound the same without hearing anything else but their 2 most popular songs in DF's case(Through the fire and flames and Operation ground and pound) Their lyric arent that great but they are epic... And besides every band has atleast 1 flaw. ITS POWER METAL BITCHES they caint talk about stuff all the badass GLAM metal bands talk about,or the stuff grunge bands talk about. What do you want them to talk about? how much life sucks like does fagget emo bands do? To emos"Try living in a third world country like columbia or equador better yet Idia U fucking Queers.
Besides their singing is fucking awesome!!!! Besides yall haters dont have to here them so why talk shit... you arent gonna stop a true metalhead like myself to stop hearing an awesome and talented band like dragonforce...Also they already have alot of fans so u little queers dont really make a difference .Go BACK TO HEARING YOUR GAY ASS...Avenged7x-MCR-Falloutboy-The killers-linkin park-greenday nickelback-Coldplay paramore AND ALL THOSE GAY ASS BANDS THAT SUCK!!!!! LEAVE DRAGONFORCE ALONE!!!! lol lol LOL Like that leave britney alone guy said.

10:13 AM  
Blogger $tev- said...

EDIT: realized I don't have to censor - we're all adults here, hopefully.

Well, I read the majority of comments supporting Dragonforce as
"ARE U FUCKIN THICK OR SUMIN DRAGONFORCE IS ONE OF THE BEST BANDS OUT THERE AND THERES NUFFIN RONG WID THE NAME SO WOTS RONG WITH U..."

So we can categorize the DF fanatics into several groups:
1. You are unable to string together a sentence, and are overzealously impressed with DF's ability to string together meaningless, feelingless notes.
2. You just started playing guitar, and have made the assumption that the fastest, must logically mean the Best.
3. You have not seen enough bands live to know, that a band realistically should be able to play its own songs live.

From the comments, the primary excuse given for their...sub-par performance is that they're drunk. I certainly hope that's not the case. Many, many musicians do find a certain amount of alcohol before a show helps them loosen up. Buzzed, many guitarists play better. Dimebag himself once stated he never played a show sober. But really, is Dragonforce plastered at every single show? Do they really have that little respect for their fans?

Also I see in places, "...DragonForce is metal for people who aren't that into metal in the first place." First of all, 'Metal' was never really a music genre to begin with. It started out as just 'Death Metal', indicating the dark nature and brutal sound of the music. Saying that Dragonforce is 'Power Metal', makes me personally think that they trying to keep that connotation of heaviness, but they know NOBODY would consider them as 'Death Metal'. In short, I would consider Dragonforce to be Fantasy-Themed Power Rock. There is no shame in that, but I just can't see anything about Dragonforce that is Metal.

For my final rant, I had also read, and I quote, "...and probably written by some terrible guitar player who couldn't nail one of their solos like they do all the time..." Like they do all the time? Like in their shows....okay I'll stop right there before I wet myself laughing. The truth is, the majority of even mediocre bands, will be able to play good, even better-than-studio versions of their songs in concert. Just being on stage, pumps you full of adrenaline and excitement, and things happen. I have yet to hear of DF releasing commercially a live recording. If you can only play your fast, endless strains of notes at home in your studio with multiple delay pedals, that's great! But if you're playing shows in any venue bigger than Burger King, you had damn well better bring your A game, and shred that shit up.

And lastly, the comment at the end is laughable, even where it IS coherent. I'm not going to even go into the bands lack of any melody, chord progression, etc. alejandro1313sixx: "...AND ALL THOSE GAY ASS BANDS THAT SUCK!!!!! LEAVE DRAGONFORCE ALONE!!!! lol lol LOL Like that leave britney alone guy said."
So you would be okay with being compared to Chris Crocker, the most flaming homosexual to ever take it up the ass? Well, if the shoe fits, I surely won't stop you from wearing it.

7:02 AM  
Blogger elinor said...

Dragonforce is for TOOLS
why cant people just get into solid music that is well composed and instrumented like the who and pink floyd

7:03 AM  
Blogger Kimmy said...

I am a HUGE Pink Floyd and David Gilmour fan! Dragonforce is Pink Floyd on Speed, and with a power singer. Look at Dragonforce's lyrics.. they are brilliant

1:34 AM  
Blogger elinor said...

whatever i just straight up dont understand dragonforce, with pink floyd you have not the best voice in roger waters but he fits well with the way they play, gilmour is amazing and so is waters bass and the drumming is fantastic plus the sonic experimentation makes an unbelieveable package. But with dragonforce all i hear is dungeons and dragons storyline and herman li wanking the fretboard

4:06 AM  
Blogger David said...

I respectfully disagree. I personally think that Dragonforce rock. I'll freely admit I wouldn't have heard of them if not for GH3, but I heard liked it, got the album, hen got the others. Sure, they're not the greatest band ever, Iron maiden blows them out of the water any day of the week but what can I say? It make nice noises and the lyrics make me feel good.

12:20 PM  
Blogger Robert Patrick said...

@David : sir, though we do not agree on DF musical quality, I'm sure the way you expressed your point of view will spare you "the fire and flames" all your predecessors have been bashed with.
Have a good day ;-)

1:02 PM  
Blogger jpunk said...

Dragonforce does indeed suck. Just because they are one of the fastest bands out there does not make them the best. Even if you do like speed metal..their music is rediculous..I used to listen to them, but after a while their music just becomes so stupid that you wish they would go down a shithole.. And as well as the lyrics? well, those suck too..sure, they can play fast, but that's not what music is all about. But then again, any other average joe can say something similar to everyone elses choices on music...oh and by the way..another style of music that should be takin off the charts...RAP! just because it sucks and acting like a ***ger has lost its flame, not that it was there to begin with.

10:19 PM  
Blogger colin said...

ok dragonforce sucks balls they have no music talent what so ever!! just because u play fast does not mean u are good!! a five year old can play a guitar and hit random notes fast and according to you that's good music what the fuck!!!! if you want to hear good music you should listen to Metallica, Black Sabbath and Ozzy those people have talent and know how to actually play the guitar

1:32 AM  
Blogger Robert Patrick said...

@colin : except you fail, because if you had read my first articles, you'd have known Kirk Hammett can't be included in "people that actually know how to play the guitar"...

10:16 AM  
Blogger Tomas said...

Im a big power metal fan, and i dont thinks DF sucks as you put it, but its seriously overrated.
ok they play fast, but thats just all theres to it, they dont have any kind of good musicianship.
Their melodies arent too good, i like some of their songs, but i realize they are an average band, just like highlord or cryonic temple.

5:49 AM  
Blogger Jaeger said...

Ursell said it best (just ignore the last part about guitar nerds).

1. Hating on the name is just stupid. I can shit turds on a bunch of other bands' names too. So they chose an unimaginative name... so what? Good job judging a book by the cover. Fail.

2. OCRemix and VGRemix do have some talented people posting, but the majority are crap. Artistic soul? What's that subjective shit about? When I buy a cd I expect music, not a freaking analysis of what it means to be a musician. So some bands come across as insipid while some as inspired... uh, so freaking what? It means fuck-all.

3. As Ursell said, it's fun over-the-top studio stuff (yes, I realise they are terrible especially live). I'm not even a fan of the band, I just like some of their songs. But guess what, their songs are "good enough". You talk about bends, slides, consistency... does the average listener know, or even CARE, about this technical shit? From the comments it should be freaking obvious (they don't). DF sounds good enough for the masses (and some of their songs amuse even me).

Ironically in a later post you say you can't find better solos (perhaps you meant technically, since obviously DF isn't THAT good, objectively speaking as a guitarist). Also, in your last paragraph here you say speed isn't everything; now, I don't read interviews, but if they did claim that then they are obviously huge frauds (albeit successful ones, because in the end they can play to packed concerts; can you say the same of many other bands which you think are just as overrated?). Also, if speed really WAS everything, I don't think DF is all that either, I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of other songs out there with crazy ass shreds. Most I've heard sound like shit, though, so you've got to credit DF for at least being good at studio wizardry. After all, if they TOTALLY sucked, nobody would be praising them, would they? Hmm? Ever think about that?

Yes, DF is overrated. Yes, it's studio magic and they can't play for jack live. But if they're totally crap, they would be just another unknown no-name band whom nobody knows... which isn't the case here, surprise, surprise!

9:47 AM  
Blogger Robert Patrick said...

@jaeger : "Ironically in a later post you say you can't find better solos"

I'm always amazed at people not being able to understand sarcasm. That's what you get when you're raised with TV shows that tell you when to applaud...

12:20 PM  
Blogger earl said...

If a bunch of 12 year olds had the skill to make a band, it would be dragonforce.

also there rude when they play live. they said the crowd sucked and stormed off stage.

but i guess thats somthing a 12 year old would do right?

much like some of the comments i see posted here. try giving a valid argument as to why you think the band doesn't suck(which they do) instead of telling everyone to suck a cock.

9:11 AM  
Blogger Blank said...

If you like dragonforce, please listen to Blind Guardian. I beg you to do this. They are power metal in it's truest form. Dragonforce is the absolute weakest excuse for power metal. I expect them to open for the jonas brothers in the near future.

1:03 PM  
Blogger graham said...

more like fail force tbh

herman is one sloppy guitar player
and is one shite guitarist live, no wonder their studio album is spiced and cut to shit

12:03 AM  
Blogger alexwar said...

i nuke u i nuke all of you why don't you write something that really matters like nuclear war or def-con 1 and so on instead of writing about some string of metal strapped to a piece of wood that's strung to make vibration in the air that our ears can detect really...

3:39 AM  
Blogger Mayur said...

DRAGONFORCE SUCKS.

"Basically, we make all kinda strange noises on the guitar and we give it video game name, coz it is cool" - Herman Li.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtUiQJc7ZMI

5:40 PM  
Blogger i.aian said...

Notuhh =( DragonForce rocks my Cocks.. U nigguhs be jealous dat they play circles around u. They're almost are professional as da Naked Brother Band or The Jonas Bros!!!!<3 I bet YOU'VE never ever seen as much G-Strings liek dey have!

But Seriously.. If You listen to DragonForce... You must be 5?

8:22 PM  
Blogger dontspam1 said...

A bunch of poor jealous people :\ Or some (&$""§ just trying to be provocative.

Would like to see the author be that monkey with metronome and play the "sucking" dragonforce stuff. Guess he can't. This article here is just to raise statistics.

When i check the comments i bet you delete most comments that disagree.

Oh, i forgot, the dragonforce guys won prizes for being awesome guitarists? Guess the jury has no clue... *rolleyes*

btw... "the best guitar site in the world"... wow... narcissism... im always worried about the mental abilities of ppl. Hope it is just ironical.

PS: Won't come back here... so you do not have to reply. I won't raise your statistics!

4:03 PM  
Blogger Kimmy said...

Part of blogging is opinion whether you agree or not. The fact that someone responded positive or negative is the reason for the post to begin with! Music is always about opinion, style, and of course, CHOICE! I love Dragonforce, but for both music, and lyrics. I love Iron Madien for the same reason. Should those two bands ever be compared? NO! I wouldn't compare Stryper versus Slayer. The fact that the author has an opinion on this band doesn't change my thoughts. In fact, it proves he loves music, and doesn't mind comments on either side on the fence. Fans will always prefer something different. David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar. Satriani or Steve Vai. As @johncusack said in High Fidelity, "How can it be bullshit to state a preference!?" http://twitpic.com/1q11m7

6:36 AM  
Blogger tennisace13 said...

This article is based on untrue rumors and personal opinions, and is only for ignorant assholes who think hating DragonForce is popular. If you think the band doesn't have ANY talent, sounds bad, and has no melody, then you're completely wrong. Think I'm kidding? Go see them live.

4:25 AM  
Blogger Deathstar Control Room said...

Point 1: The Name
Names have nothing to do with the actual talent of the band, therefore, it is NOT a legitimate reason to the argument.

Point 2: Influenced By Video Game Music
What's the problem with that? It's not something that's been done before, they're creating something totally different. Critics used the same template on Led Zeppelin, and look where they are now. Influences are sources of BIAS- no one person has the right to say whether the influence is good or bad. Besides, merely bitching about the influence still says nothing about the actual musicians themselves.

Point 3: The Sound and Lack of Power and Who's Better
People are so quick to hate what's new. As I mentioned before, their sound is a relatively new idea, and since it's unfamiliar, most people are quick to say they hate it. If you actually take the time to listen to it, you'll find it's actually quite intricate and artistic.
It says there's no power behind the guitars, and I'm wondering if they've ever even LISTENED to a song by DragonForce besides "Through the Fire and Flames." If you can hum the solo and people can recognize it, there's a melody. Since you can do that with their solos, they DO have a melody- you just don't like it.
And finally, they conclude by saying they're not as good as Yngwie Malmsteen. OF COURSE THEY'RE FUCKING NOT. Who the hell on this earth is?! He's practically a GOD. Just because they don't sounds exactly like Malmsteen doesn't mean they don't have any talent.

7:49 AM  
Blogger Kimmy said...

@Deathstar Awesome comment

1:58 PM  
Blogger mike said...

ok..Just heard them at a CUB SCOUT meeting......andno.. I didnt like them..not very musical.. lots of double picking..ie..faster picking than playing.I played some Steffen
schakinger after their stuff..and the peeps were like wow.. I should just quit playing the guitar...They are closer to suckage than greatness..p.s play the guitar for 40 years..in a week no one will care about dragonfarce.

3:35 AM  
Blogger Yoda said...

Berate DragonForce all you want, it still doesn't take away the fact that they are a great band. So if you're one of those people who are saying that we (DragonForce fans) are not real metal heads, you can get off your fucking high horse and stick it up your shit hole. I listen to many metal bands. Iron Maiden, Slayer, DragonForce, PowerGlove, Running Wild, Avenged Sevenfold, Amon Amarth, Pharaoh, Steel Panther, Metallica, the list goes on. But out of all of those, I'd choose DragonForce. Let's face it, everyone in the band is a great musician. Their solos are over the top and long, but they are all very good, and anyone who says that they don't have melody can sniff my scrotum. Everyone who says Herman Li is a bad guitarist obviously don't take the time to consider his abilities. Playing the stuff they do at the speed they do, you can't expect him to play it perfectly every time. Once you can play songs like 'Heroes Of Our Time' note for note, then you can criticise his playing abilities. Granted some of their songs DO sound similar, there are many that don't. Who cares if they add sound effects? They don't let them take over the rest of their songs. I've seen a lot of people saying things like "most of their music is played on a keyboard", which is also untrue. As for their lyrics, what does it matter what they're about? They make sense and stick to the fantasy of the band.
I'm not one of those illiterate fans who are like
"DRAGONFORSE ROOLZ AND ANY1 WHO DOESNT AGREE SUX DIX, ALL OTHR BANDS SUK."
because that simply isn't true. I don't listen to a lot of Black Sabbath because i don't enjoy it. Not because they are a terrible band (they're not, they are great at what they do), but because i just don't enjoy it. There are plenty who do but that's their choice. I don't go around making narrow minded blogs about why they suck.
In short, DragonForce is a great band, they're great at what they do and they are talented musicians. They have great, complex songs and awesome solos.
Making blogs like this, criticising how they play and their music doesn't make you big, doesn't make you cool, and it certainly doesn't gain you any respect from anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.
So next time, unless you're going to be a bit more considerate and/or open minded about these things, keep your opinions to yourself.

2:21 AM  
Blogger Robert Patrick said...

Dear Yoda,

thank you for your long and articulate comment.
I only have two objections to your arguments :

1) you said :"So next time, unless you're going to be a bit more considerate and/or open minded about these things, keep your opinions to yourself."
I'm afraid you're new to that thing called the internet and to the blogosphere. Blogs are used to express publicly your opinion, be it considerate or not.
While you're at it you could probably take a dose of humour, it doesn't hurt and you seem to lack a bit in that domain.

2) You said :"Once you can play songs like 'Heroes Of Our Time' note for note, then you can criticise his playing abilities."

Now let's suppose – for the sake of it – that I CAN play that song note for note, will you shut up ? Will you surrender to my guitar superior skills ? Probably not. You'll come back saying that sure I can play it, but I didn't compose it, or any other stuff you can come up with.

In short, whether I'm the best guitar player in the world or the worst, you're just butthurt that I joked about your dear DF and you won't have any of it.

My piece of advice : don't trust everything you read on the internet, and man the fuck up.

5:05 PM  
Blogger Alexandre Berthiot said...

You are such narrow-minded. And did you spoke about their guitar skills ? They have melody, they have talent, they chose the name they want (as well as you think what you want about it, but to my mind it's only a self-mockery choice and a reference video game names). For sure there are a lot of others talented muscians that we don't talk about much ... but still, your post is to my eyes, a bad written jealous text about how you think DragonForce band is. And to finish, it's not because you like dragons that you sucks. A lot of people do like fantastic creatures/tales, and are both professionnally and socially able.

2:44 PM  
Blogger broney danza said...

Just heard about these turds today, dude told me they have an epic guitarist. If it makes some people happy to listen to this stuff then more power to them, but for me its poison that just might make people dumber judging by some of the fan posts on here. I need to blast some Rings of Saturn to wash the residual df out of my brain. df is gross. Real metal represent.

1:50 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

pathetic you really think that do you even know how hard it is to play guitar at that speed in fact can you even play guitar. Besides that DragonForce is a cool "Fantasy Themed" band just because you mister judgement doesn't think so doesn't mean their not a good band for example I hate nickelback doesn't make them a bad band.

8:25 PM  
Blogger Samuel Martens said...

For all you haters of DragonForce how many of you can even play a guitar. let alone do anything els but sit on your computer and make hate comments about rock bands, in this situation the jokes on you because who are the ones making money for playing insanely fast on guitar Oh you that's right DRAGONFORCE

8:33 PM  
Blogger Samuel Martens said...

sorry but who are the ones making a lot more money than you will... oh that's right DRAGONFORCE

8:36 PM  

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